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★King★Therapy★'s avatar

My god this is so unhinged, Amy. I don't know where to begin. The violence with which Alan's home was treated on the separation/abandonment/kidnapping should have been a huge red flag, at least in retrospect.

There's a strange personal connection, as my mother was a clinical psychologist in the physical reab department of Redlands Hospital in the 90's. As for San Dimas, it was the home of Patti Cox, a woman I haven't thought of in over 30 years. In the late 80's I'd visit there and La Puente where her friend Pamela lived at home. I understand the bizarre and alienating world of the Inland Empire, which hasn't probably become a better human environment than it was in that era.

I really hope that though wiser, you are not too burdened by the trauma and torments of these things.

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Amy Sterling Casil's avatar

Wow, those are huge correspondences! I am well and healthy and happy - I'm recovered. Alan died in 2014 of a series of strokes. It ran in his family, it was likely genetic illness. Moran was so abusive to Alan's ex that on one of the few occasions I said anything to her, I suggested she should take her son for genetic testing so he could have an opportunity to have a healthy life. Of course nothing. She was the most abused woman I ever saw, the guy was the absolute worst human I've ever known of. Truly subhuman, and for sure - what I say in the article. FOR SURE.

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★King★Therapy★'s avatar

I don't know what our non-zero chance of having run into each other back then is, but it's non-zero, at a Westercon or some other thing.

You bear the weight of a lot of people's misery. I don't know how you did it, but glad for you having made it.

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Amy Sterling Casil's avatar

I think I would have noticed you if we would have been at the same events. Don't underestimate the power of my own heavy drinking & reckless behavior to blank out good people ... not after my daughter tho, so ...

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There's a "political" connection too. To this day, you will see Moran being a s**tlib in public, and he used to suck up to David Gerrold, the "Tribble" Star Trek writer. Alan knew all these people and traveled in their social circles, but his ex and Moran kidnapped his kids like that, and Alan didn't know where they were. They were hiding out in Moran's apt in the San Fernando Valley. I distinctly remember Alan telling me that he'd called Gerrold, begging him for any info about his children & Gerrold had denied knowing anything. Then Moran bragged how "everyone knew" and "no one" (including Gerrold) told Alan anything for six weeks. Then Moran disclosed by writing some type of public blog post. So thereafter, when I was at events with Gerrold, I would never speak to him. I knew what type of person he was. It's one way that I came to understand that there was a negative correlation between this type of "success" and the quality of individual. A creep like Gerrold who would not tell a father where his children were (like wouldn't you have some suspicion or at least report to someone?) and who'd flat out lie? Sick, worthless.

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I heard lots of stuff about Gerrold in those years from those who'd known him, tho' I never did. There were a few of those families that connected everyone in fan and SCA circles in those days, like the Trimbles - and everyone seemed one degree separated.

Anyway, Gerrold was a gatekeeping asshole to people, which I now recognize as a sign of self-loathing. of which I can only imagine the basis.

As a younger teen around these things, you remember my friends and me regularly dodging predators. It was like a joke, but not really funny to us.

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Amy Sterling Casil's avatar

Exactly - a very unfunny joke. I had to be part of our group that had to deal with Marion Zimmer Bradley estate issues. As in "We do not want to have any financial or other relationship to this ..." I had a close friend who loved Tribbles and was dying to meet Gerrold, and we were right next to this fool at the hotel bar at a con where he was GoH. I had previously told my friend Gerrold wasn't that nice, but I *would* have introduced them and Gerrold could have heard from a diehard fan who was in reality, a dot.com guru/kingpin - but Gerrold was sitting sad sack by himself and acting so morose my friend decided he didn't want to speak with him after all. A real jerk.

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